Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject: Arafat's Death
I believe the Jewish People should be dancing in the streets as a result of his death. They should be dancing the Hora around the great Menorah in Jerusalem. It makes me sick world leaders are praising him. Any comments.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject: Arafat's Dead
I want to make a party because of his death i think we should celebrate the death of such a wicked and evil person who killed so many innocent jewish lives as well as other innocent people who were not jewish.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: No Party
I dont think we should be dancing or partying.
He obviously was a very bad person but if some of his supporters see us celebrating it will just light their fire. Remember all those people who celebrated 9/11.
If you are really happy just celebrate behind closed doors.
I do remember the people (Arafat's supporters) who celebrated 9/11. It's time to give them a piece of their own medicine. When Sharon is gone the Palestinians will be dancing in the streets. Let not this opportunity be missed. If we can rattle our gregors each year on Purim for someone bad who lived over 2000 years ago surely we can spend a week dancing in the streets to celebrate the demise of Israel's greatest individual enemy
in the past 40 years
Personally I wouldn't want to give anyone any extra incentive. This tit-for-tat isn't going to stop.
I think a better use of energy is to march against him- and have a rememberance for all those that he killed. I think they had one in the NYC area yesterday or today. It shows our dislike for him and reminds people how bad he was.
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:22 am Post subject: Arafat: Terrorist and Murderer
It was my wish that Arafat would be arrested by Sharon and put on trial; so all of his evil would become official public record. I believe this is the only way to convince many people and their governments that this was an extremely evil man and to prevent many of the same from treating him as an honorable and great leader to a great and honorable people. It would also serve as an official history and testament of one of the world's cruelest individuals and the Arab/Islamic world's most effective weapon against the Jewish people and Eretz Yisrael.
All Arafat's barbarism should be documented; from his brainwashing of generations of children to want to commit suicide while killing Jews, to his fabrication of an entire culture who were supposed to, not only have lived, but flourished, in a make believe country called "palestine": where he was supposed to be king. He arranged it so anyone wishing to be his subject needed only to call themselves "palestenians", no matter that their ancestry is Egyptian, African or Ottoman. Many likely fleeing to safety in Israel from poverty, famine, torture and murder from their own cruel Islamic dictators. So convincing was this assassin, he had us calling them "palestenians", the Shomrom and Gaza "occupied territory", and negotiating with them to give away our homeland. It must be documented that they are the occupiers, as were Jordan and Egypt until they renounced their disputed claims to Gaza and Shomrom some 20+ years ago.
It should have been easy, at this point, for Israel to legally possess this area, but Arafat the rogue, terrorist, murderer, dictator, despot, child abuser claimed it for himself and his make believe people. It was no secret to the few who were not afraid to admit it; Arafat had been given the Arab and Islamic Worlds 'representative warrior status' to continue their war against our Jewish presence and Israel's independence. Understand that, in death, Arafat remains nearly as powerful an enemy of Israel and the Jewish people. We didn't disarm him in life. There is no excuse not to disarm him now.
Putting Arafat on trial would also expose his supporters and the anti-Semites who made it possible for him to live his horrible perverted life; and make it harder for them to hide behind their governments walls of silence and diplomatic protection. It's not too late and may even be to our advantage to hold a posthumous trial. Witnesses may be more willing to testify against Arafat, and do it truthfully. There should be no question about the evil which sustained this man, and the evil he sustained. His trial should be held to serve as an inclusive and comprehensive legal document so writers, historians and the interested can prevent the perversion and obfuscation of facts in the future.
Arafat's guilt should serve to prevent him from ever being seen as a freedom fighter or revolutionary again, but only as the common criminal and killer that he is. Even in death there will be Muslims and Arabs killing Jews in his name, because he brainwashed them to hate and embrace the same evil he personified. Finally, confiscate his remains and destroy them so there will never be pilgrimages to his grave and none can identify his grave and remains as an Islamic relic which could prompt millions of Israel's enemies from descending on us and staying to overrun and destroy us.
"JUBILATION WHEN THE WICKED PERISH"
An interesting debate is being conducted in some circles in Israel as to precisely how happy one should be at Arafat's demise. One Biblical verse that has often been quoted of late is, "When the wicked perish, there is jubilation" (Proverb 11,10). A statement by the Tekumah party - a faction of the National Union - notes that the Talmud cites this verse in response to witnesses who fear that their testimony might help put someone to death. The judges tell them, "You will not be liable for this blood; it is rather a merit for you, to purify the world from evil and to add light and joy, as is written, 'When the wicked perish, there is jubilation.'"
Tekumah also quotes Rabbi A. I. Kook, Chief Rabbi of pre-State Israel, as writing that the verse implies that even "evil itself, in its depth, longs for its own demise and rejoices in it." The Tekumah statement concludes, "If we recall the dark passion of the terrorists to kill themselves together with their victims, and Arafat's wish to be a shahid [martyr], we can begin to understand Rabbi Kook's words, and see the kindness that was done to Arafat with his passing from the world."
Others quote a different verse in Proverbs: "When your enemy falls, do not rejoice" (24, 17). Some explain, however, that this is referring to one's personal enemy, but not to "wicked people" in general, over whose downfall one should rejoice. Others explain that this means not to have public rejoicing in the streets.
Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, Dean of Yeshivat Ateret Cohanim in the Old City of Jerusalem and Rabbi of Beit El, writes that when considering the injunction not to "rejoice upon the fall of your enemy," it depends who the enemy is:
"When the Purim story occurred, Mordechai did not act particularly compassionately towards Haman. When the latter cited this verse, Mordechai replied that it did not apply to him. The same with Arafat, who killed many Jews and left many widows, widowers, orphans and suffering wounded... It's true that G-d told the angels not to sing when the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea - but the Children of Israel did sing! We, too, are not angels - just as the Rabbi of Pisetzna, Rabbi Kalman Kalonymus Shapira, wrote during the Holocaust: 'Did an angel ever get hit? Did an angel ever get murdered? Did an angel ever get humiliated? We did! In Egypt, the angels didn't suffer - so they don't have to sing [afterwards]. But we did suffer, [and that's why we sang]...' For Arafat we say, 'when the wicked perish, there is jubilation.'"
The Pikuach Nefesh Rabbis Association, headed by Rabbis Yaakov Yosef (son of Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef), David Druckman of Kiryat Motzkin, and Yosef Garletzky, similarly states that the day of Arafat's death is one of "happiness and rejoicing for the Nation of Israel." The organization published a call to make the day one of celebration, and stated,
"We wish to uproot the mistake of those who mock those who are happy on this day as 'right-wing extremists," as those who do so, deviate gravely from the natural instincts and feelings of our people, who hate the enemies of the Jews and are happy at their downfall. 'So may all Your enemies fall, O G-d!'"
I do remember the people (Arafat's supporters) who celebrated 9/11. It's time to give them a piece of their own medicine. When Sharon is gone the Palestinians will be dancing in the streets. Let not this opportunity be missed. If we can rattle our gregors each year on Purim for someone bad who lived over 2000 years ago surely we can spend a week dancing in the streets to celebrate the demise of Israel's greatest individual enemy
in the past 40 years
we should not go dancing around because thst makes us that much closer to being like them which is a terrible thing. You should not even be so happy because whenever one of the great jews die the non-jews are that much happier.
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